Takeover! The Family Business Joins In The City con Christi [Mid-Season Bonus]

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hello and welcome to the Family Business with the Alessi's, where family is everybody's business and today is a special mid-season bonus episode where the family business collides with a whole other business the business of running a city. Today we're going to have kind of a takeover from In the City Con Christi, the podcast run by the mayor of Dural Florida, mayor Christi Fraga. Steve Alessi had the privilege of sharing with Mayor Fraga on her podcast In the City Con Christi and now we're going to let you hear and see exactly what happened in that incredible interview where someone who runs an entire city connected with someone who runs a family business, like Pastor Steve does. This is going to be great, so tune in right away. You're going to enjoy this podcast takeover from In the City Con Christi, enjoy.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Hello everyone and welcome back to In the City Con Christi, where we get to meet all the incredible people that make up the greatest place to live, work, learn and play Doral. I'm Christi Fraga, your mayor, and today I am with a very special guest. I always say everybody's a very special guest, but they are, they're all special to me. Today we have our pastor, my pastor Steve Alessi, from Mestro Life Church.

Speaker 3: 1:19

Con Christi.

Speaker 2: 1:20

Yeah, that's right See In the City Con Christi. It's a pleasure to have you Pastor.

Speaker 3: 1:25

Oh, my gosh, christi, thank you so much, mayor.

Speaker 2: 1:28

Oh, and just Christi here.

Speaker 3: 1:30

Thank you so very much for allowing us to be a part of this. We love being a part of your world. We love being a part of your life. All that you do we have seen just so much over the years of elevation and how you've handled yourself, your family, and it's just I propose it's something that should happen that you are at this level and we're glad to be a part of that in any way that we can.

Speaker 2: 1:54

Thank you, pastor. Yes, absolutely so. I've invited our pastor here today for many reasons. We just celebrated Father's Day, and so we're going to talk a little bit about that. Our pastor has a new book out, so we're going to talk a little bit about the book, and he's got an incredible podcast also called Family Business with Alessi, and so I think it's a great podcast. I watch it all the time, by the way.

Speaker 1: 2:14

Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2: 2:15

I do, I love it, and so I want to talk a little bit about that. We're also celebrating 20 years for the city of Doral. You've been a big part of that.

Speaker 3: 2:23

Well, we started Metro Life Church 25 years ago, last year, so we're celebrating our 25th anniversary, and I do remember when there was nothing here in D'Rau, even this particular building that we're in today it was not here then and the government was run by community councils. That's right, and thankfully we were invited in from the very get-go, which is what one thing I've always appreciated about D'Rau is they always embrace the faith, community leaders and so we were invited back then to start these community council meetings with prayer, and then that opened the door for us to have relationships from day one with your office. Because I remember when we did a Halloween event and we just threw it on at the last minute at D'Rau Park, the clubhouse there, and when we threw that thing on at the last minute we just decided to do it. Oh God, if there were so many people come running through those doors when it was over. We are so exhausted, but it was a great way for us to be a part of the community from day one.

Speaker 2: 3:27

And you all have grown too from those days. You started on 79th Avenue.

Speaker 3: 3:31

That's right, 79th Avenue. It's now taken care of by another church. That was a great start for us. We started from nothing. I've been born and raised in Miami and then I went to college, came back from college, served my dad for 13 years down in the D'Ailand area, which is now our second campus, and then in 1997, I decided it was time to move forward. My wife Mary and I came over and started Metro here. So it's just been great and D'Rau has always embraced us and I've loved having the relationships with our community leaders and specifically you. With the season of life. It's wonderful.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Thank you. Likewise for me, and I've always loved to embrace that as well, and I always felt that from when I came in same, when I first got elected, I felt that there was always a good connection between our faith-based leaders and our community leaders, and I think that's so important for our city, and so I've always wanted to continue to foster that and even make it a stronger relationship and allow the faith community to come in and help us with many aspects of our community, because I think there's so much that can be done with our youth, our families, and so that's kind of my goal, and so I think that we have a great opportunity to see that happen. And really this is a community where I feel family is a priority. I know that's a priority for you. So let's talk a little bit about the podcast. How did you decide to start doing your podcast?

Speaker 3: 4:59

Well, let me go back to one thing real quick. I have a motto for my leadership style is I lead by example, not by park and space. I don't need a park and space to determine what kind of leader I'm going to be. I'm going to go the way first and then help people show people the way. When I look at you, I appreciate this fact that when we're talking about embracing the faith-based community, this isn't something that you just do for political purposes. You have led that way because you do come and visit our churches. You're part of our church community. You're part of other churches in the route to make sure that you are seen and embraced and understand that. So I so value that as the leader that you are, because you don't just talk this out, you live it. Now to the LSE family business, the business with the LSEs, our podcast. My wife and I have been married 35 years and here we are with our kids my son Christopher's 32, my daughter Stephanie's 26,. My daughter Lauren is 24 and Gabby is 22.

Speaker 2: 6:09

And it's incredible to have watched them grow up too.

Speaker 3: 6:11

Oh, you've, seen it.

Speaker 2: 6:12

Yeah, it's incredible to have. Chris was part of our first youth advisory board.

Speaker 3: 6:16

Yes.

Speaker 2: 6:17

So I've seen them grow up too, and now I watch them get married and having their own kids. Oh my gosh, it's beautiful.

Speaker 3: 6:22

So we all work together and my kids love what I do. First off, they love the God that I love. They love the church that we've built. They really do love that community and they're good at what they do. So we work together. So we have the family business with the Alessi's podcast and we get on there and we talk about things that families have to deal with in life, especially working together. So that's a weekly podcast. My wife has a twin sister. She'll join her sometimes, or my kids will get in there. You talk about new kids. They're having grandchildren for us, so they talk about what that's like my son Christopher's having a baby and so named after Dan Marino Guy saw that. A South Florida icon. So he's on there talking about what that feels like to be a new dad. And that's so important right now is we've just celebrated.

Speaker 2: 7:10

Father's Day. So how is that, how has that been being a grandfather for you? I see you're here at love. Oh, she's a precious girl.

Speaker 3: 7:15

Yeah, it's fun, it really is, and I guess the big thing is to see my kid, my daughter Stephanie, and I got a great son-in-law, christopher Mouina, to see the way that they connect. And then they didn't take long, man, they got married quick and this happened during COVID had two weddings in COVID about four months apart. They got married and a year later they have this precious little girl, little Gianna. She is precious, but to see my daughter be a mother and not skip a beat with being a professional still taking care of her job, her husband right alongside of her. You know, kids were never their excuse for being lazy.

Speaker 1: 7:52

And you can appreciate this.

Speaker 3: 7:55

Your kids are part of your journey and she keeps them right along with it. So, on Sundays, our kids right up front with us, our granddaughter and our grandson. We love being able to have them up close and personal, and every so often you know their experiences in life. You know, I'm able to slow down at 62 years of age and enjoy a night with the grandkids. When I was in my 30s and my 40s, maybe early 50s, I didn't appreciate the time because, like this season of your life, you're trying to make so much happen in your life and in your career. This is a season of running and gunning, and so you're raising your son, you're doing a good job, you're doing your best, right, but you don't always slow down to appreciate. Let me just watch a movie with them.

Speaker 2: 8:43

Yeah, and we were just talking about that a couple of moments ago and as we just celebrated Father's Day Father's Day, it's a great transition into I was saying that today things have changed so much. It's no longer fathers are so important in the roles of their children's lives, and I even say sometimes my husband probably spends more time with my son than I do, and I'm not embarrassed to say that. I love what I do and I've always been a very career-driven woman as well, as much as I love being a mother and it's super fulfilling to me. There are so many parts of our lives and those seasons that we have, and I love that. You always say that, and so for me right now, it's been kind of accepting that I took on this role, something I wanted to do. I was so grateful that my family and my husband have been so supportive of that I wanted to do this because I would not be able to do it without my family, especially my husband. And so he's really stepped up to the plate and said I know this makes you happy and we do it together to a certain extent, but part of that doing it together is him taking on such a big role as the person at home too.

Speaker 3: 9:46

I think I could describe it this way my wife and I work together, so we're together 24-7 more or less, on what we do in the ministry and we've started these camps for men and women up at our farm. We've got a 150-acre farm in Southwest Georgia and I still, by the way, wait for an invitation.

Speaker 2: 10:02

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:04

And we still, thank God, have our condo up by your place.

Speaker 2: 10:06

Yes.

Speaker 1: 10:06

Getting totally re-bottled. Yes, yes, yes, awesome.

Speaker 2: 10:08

But we have this farm.

Speaker 3: 10:11

So we take up some men and our women in our church it's our men's group is called good fellas, men doing good, our women's group is called humanity, so we bring them up to this camp. Now I'm up there with my wife, with another couple of men in the church, for security reasons, and so Mary does this thing every day and it's intensive. They're working hard with these ladies. But my presence, just being there for her not that I have to say anything, okay, and half of the time she says something to me and I think she's asking for advice. She's not asking for advice, she just likes to tell me about it my very presence brings her the security and the strength that she needs to help her do what she needs to do. So I know Gabriel comes up alongside of you and I so appreciate that. When you're at Metro he's there with you, your son's there. I love seeing that. I love seeing the pictures of you and your family together, because I know from a strong woman's perspective how important it is to have the support, his very presence, maybe not his advice, his counsel Sometimes.

Speaker 2: 11:24

I get a little more than I like, of course, because that's our job.

Speaker 3: 11:27

We think we're supposed to tell everybody exactly how to do it. That's okay, but just the presence. That's where I wish some men would understand something. It's not always in what we have to say, and sometimes it's not always in what we have to do. It's being present, present in the marriage, present in the relationship, present in the home. Yep, hey, I'm okay. My wife, at one season of her life, when she was recording some music, she was on the road traveling and I was at home with the kids. I remember my daughters all three of them had their first cycle when their mom was gone out of town. Yeah, and I got the call. You know, dad, can you come in here? No, I'm not coming in there, but what's up? Having to call some of the women of the church say, hey, I need your help. Okay, those were good seasons for for us as a couple. But I also went through a season when Mary was so active that I had to come to face with some of my own insecurities because I was asked to be second for a minute.

Speaker 2: 12:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 12:32

And that introduced me to some secure insecurities that I had.

Speaker 2: 12:35

Let me tell you it's, it's for. I think I'm not. Obviously I'm not a man, I can't point out, but you're in a man's world. Yes, I'm in a man's world many times, but I feel like for a man that's probably one of the harder things and for my husband it's always been, it's always been. It's ever been hard for him to step back and allow me to kind of shine. He's actually always encouraged it, and so that's a big deal and I think and I'm so grateful for that. So, honey, thank you for watching because he's always been my greatest cheerleader and I'm so glad that you mentioned, like you know, we we are very, we're very close to many of the pastors and the churches in the community and I have great relationships all of the time and I I always say Metro life is my church because that's where I started going with my husband when we originally decided I mean, I grew up Catholic, I went Catholic church my whole life we decided not to get married by the Catholic church. We wanted to get married by, you know, a pastor, and so we decided to start going to the Christian church and it's no secret I think we've had this conversation, for Gabriel was very hard. Still to this day he's, you know, he's got his beliefs and his in the way he kind of likes to praise and and, and you know, and how do I say, a recognizer his, you know, his religion and things like that. He actually went through a really hard upbringing, as I'm sure I think we've had this discussion before with his brother and the loss of his brother and things. But he's opened up more to like, wanting to come to church with me and and listen and and accepting that part of it. He's a believer. It's just for him it's been a hard. It's always been hard because when he needed the support of the church, when he needed help, when his brother suffered and basically died in his arms and was very sick it, they weren't there for him and so it was very hard for him to open that that door in his life again and kind of accept and and I grew up going to church and and being part of that, you know the that world and and always believing in my faith and wanting to go to church, and that's how I grew up. So it's been a transition for us and so we go a lot to you know, we we go to Metro quite a bit, we go to Presencia Viva and I kind of let him guide that by the connections he makes because it's it's important for me for him to feel comfortable and want to create those relationships. What I love about your church and what I love about Metro and what I always tell people when I talk about it is I love that your motto is relationship, relationship, relationship, because that's a big part of what I believe my life is about. It's about building relationships, so for me, I think that that's such a great way to create a family within a family, yeah, and so I really value that. That's a big part of what you guys do, and you share your relationships and your experiences with those that come and then listen. I was talking to someone recently about something else, not faith related, but I mentioned to them that one of the reasons I changed from being more practicing Catholic to Christianity was because I felt that there was. It was important for me to have a connection with my pastor, that when I was experiencing something with my husband, that I could turn and say I'm having this situation with my husband, how is it okay to feel this way? And the pastor, or my female pastor or male pastor, could turn and say, yeah, I've had that experience too with my husband, I've gone through that season with my wife and say that is completely normal and here's how you get through and this is what the Bible says and this is what the word says and this is how you put it practically into practice. So I love that and that's what, and I'm learning every day. I'm not by far, far, far far from perfect and should probably invest much more time than I do into practicing my faith. You do great, but I do feel that I walk. That's what you know, what I try and say.

Speaker 3: 16:28

And that's I think it's very important. I admire that about you and I admire it about Gabriel. I'll tell you something I had. I wrote a book. It took me it's talk about the book 15 years to write this book, chrissy, because this was it's called 42.

Speaker 2: 16:48

I love what it's about.

Speaker 3: 16:49

Okay, so here's the deal I was up in Stuart.

Speaker 2: 16:53

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:54

And I had a heart attack. I know, yeah, for 42 minutes the paramedics worked on me. Yeah, hit me seven times with the paddle as I tried to write this book. Time and time again, I got stuck because of the PTSD. I'd go back to the pain of that moment and it just caused me to shut down. I couldn't, yeah, I just got stuck. So the subtitle to it is a guide to finishing. Well, when you were almost finished, yeah, so here's the deal. You tell the story about your husband. He had a 42 moment, and that 42 moment is something that hits us out of nowhere. Yeah, life's not always easy. No matter fact, life could be very cruel. When you lose a loved one unexpectedly, when you have a divorce, when you go through a bankruptcy, life could be cruel. There's no promises that life can be better. The only thing that we could do to make it better is to look at the decisions that we make when the dust settles and try to figure out how can I make the right decisions now? Yes, I'd like to get better. I may even raise my fist towards the heavens and say God, how could you do this to me? How could I lose this child? How could I have this miscarriage For Mary and I. We struggled with infertility for many years and every time we thought we'd get pregnant, all of a sudden, boom, we weren't able to have kids and we're like God, what's going on? It's very easy to want to start blaming others. But here's the thing After the hurt subsides a little bit, after that divorce is finalized, you may think to yourself I'll never love again, I'll never have a relationship with somebody again. Give it some time and then start looking at how you can sow the right kind of seeds in your actions that will give you a better harvest down the road. I talk about my farm. Here's what happens when you have a bad harvest. You just got to wait it out and then sow better seed for the next harvest. So a guide to finishing well really comes down in 42. It comes down to what am I going to do after I've been through this hard time? Am I going to get bitter? Or, as they say, will I get better? And we know fine wine could only happen. With time. It goes through a time of bitterness. You don't want to pop that bottle too soon because it gets a little bitter. But as it sits, as it marinates, as it goes through, the process that it takes. Once you pop that bottle open, it's good because it had to go through even a season of bitterness. I understand why some people would get bitter. I understand why some people would run from church or run from God, maybe even run from people, because when you have this unexpected hit that comes your way, even as a man, as a father, and you think you're the strong one and life should be perfect and you should be able to control it all. When you can't and life hits you, you've got to give yourself some time and then, with that time, you'll find the strength and the ability to go forward but make different choices, right choices, so right kind of seed.

Speaker 2: 20:14

So you don't get the same crop. That's it. I know it's not real deep. Yes, no, no, but it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 3: 20:21

Sometimes you have to say it out loud yeah, you get a better crop that way. So when you say my husband, he went through a hard time but yet we still go to church, right, it shows better seed that you're planting on the other side. So I would say, as men that may be listening, today for Father's Day, maybe they haven't been the perfect father, maybe they've failed in the marriage. Best gift you can give your kid is to love their mom. Maybe you failed there. Hey, all of that stuff means that, wait, it's a wake up call. Maybe I can make some better, just choices going forward. If I can make better choices here's what I know I promise you life's going to get better for you and you can be the great dad that you want to be to your family.

Speaker 2: 21:06

Yeah, 100%, and I think that's such a beautiful message, right, and I think that there's so many people out there struggling.

Speaker 3: 21:15

Yes.

Speaker 2: 21:16

I see it all the time. So last month, may, I focused all on mental health, which is a big deal for me, and there's so many different ways to deal with your emotions, from the little kids, teenagers to adults, and I see a lot of things in this role right and. I get all the police reports and all the things and the money. I'm going to share some of the stuff. But we do see suicides and there's spikes and it's just, it's very sad. So I try and find ways that we can motivate and change people's understanding to know that you're not alone. There's so many different resources available, whether it's through us here, where we can put you in the right track to find, not through the city per se, but we have relationships with different organizations but also through faith and through the church. So, last month, while we were having mental health awareness month, we also had National Day of Prayer, and one of the things that I did differently, that we had never done, is we did a full exhibit in our cultural arts center of art based on positive messages related to faith so very, very hip and kind of innovative, using technology and things like that, and the actual exhibit was called Sagrado. I invite you to take a look at it when you guys just have a piece here, that I had bought from her a while ago. And then I said and it's one of my favorite pieces, and it says, the best book is called Faith Book instead of. Facebook Faith Book, so it's really cool. And so it's very modern, it's like it's really attractive to youth, and I said this is a great way to also invite, because we had a lot of different seminars and things happening for mental health awareness month and we also had Ronald Reagan, who came and did an exhibit, and so I felt like it was very nice to have them both at the same time, because people could see and they didn't even realize that they were walking through an exhibit that promoted faith and that faith can change your life in many ways. So, you know, that's one of the things that I Inspired to do in in a leadership role. Right, it's not just about what we could do to fix the roads and and that's all very important and. And our budget and the. You know everything government.

Speaker 3: 23:37

does you talk about a different type of infrastructure?

Speaker 2: 23:40

Yes, something of the soul and I always say I believe our, our community, so family based and family oriented. I see it different than any other community I visit or talk to. People talk about it like that Doral has this special thing to it and it's we're very close and family oriented, and so I'm like man. If we could save more families, if we can Guide young you know the youth and and and our you know members of the community to Back to faith and and things that can make them better than you know, what else can we ask for for our beautiful city?

Speaker 3: 24:20

So I agree a hundred percent. I really do, and I could talk all day because I'm a preacher. Do, but I know we have time constraints. I want to say let's pause for a minute. You skipped over something that's very important about the National Day of Prayer when you were a school board member.

Speaker 2: 24:35

Yeah, you helped Lock that in to our Dade County schools that they would recognize that I was brought back this year. Yes, and I participated in the one. Yes, I I participated in the one in John ice. With that it was beautiful. There was I don't know 50 people that stayed after school to pray. Teachers sang kids. Oh, it was beautiful. It was so nice you. You have to join us next year it was very, very, very nice.

Speaker 3: 25:02

Well, that so you. You need to be applauded for that. Yeah you know when you were Sworn in as a council member.

Speaker 2: 25:11

Yes.

Speaker 3: 25:11

You blessed me with the privilege of being there to swear you in. That was a great deal.

Speaker 2: 25:17

Yeah, it really is. I really do believe that, even In all levels of government in life, but in the levels that we are in as far as leadership, we need so much Wisdom. Yeah, and there's only one place that I go to find wisdom, and that's and that's the Bible. Oh, you need to and and then, of course, you know I'm I'm hearing from, from not just my pastors, but people that have done this before and and taking the parts that we can use to to be better and to do things differently and hopefully Reap a new crop, you know that's better for that season, so no.

Speaker 3: 25:54

I agree, every Tuesday morning Metro live church.

Speaker 2: 25:57

I know you have the prayer call we have a prayer call.

Speaker 3: 25:59

Yes, goes Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday. Okay, yeah, five days a week. But Tuesday morning your name is specifically called out in In prayer as the mayor, as well as some of our other Dignitaries and elected officials on, and we start at the president's office all the way down, but they call you by name, that's beautiful mayor Christie for August, so you're not on your own and a lot of other.

Speaker 2: 26:24

I don't feel on my own, really I. I feel that I could pick up the phone and and there is an army of prayer warriors behind. So I very much appreciate that. One more Can our city ask for? Yeah? I mean, really we've got a good model. We're blessed. We really are blessed. I love that we have shared this on our podcast. I love the book. I haven't ready yet but I did.

Speaker 3: 26:47

I've heard I heard Audio, so you may want to wait for the audio.

Speaker 2: 26:52

I'm not gonna lie, I'm a big audio person. I like audio because you know why? Because I'm in the car. Yes, put it on, or even in the shower, believe it or not.

Speaker 1: 26:59

Wow.

Speaker 2: 27:00

I put out. Yeah, I have my phone, like with the waterproof. Yeah and I will play an audiobook while I'm in the sometimes the only place I get have quiet time or to be able to his mom in the shower. So it is what it is. You take out all the time that we can get to. You know, kind of just relax a little bit. It's been a very Busy few months since I walked in gosh, not even a year. No, no, it's been, and not even 200 days it's been. I don't know I've lost a little bit of count, like 150 days, but there's so much good stuff happening. We've got, you know, great plans for this city. I'm super excited, I'm enthused. Like I said, how many, how often do you get the opportunity to impact a community as beautiful as a city of Doral? I love to go out and talk to residents, hear about them and then find ways that I can improve their quality of life. Wherever I can help, I look to help, guide and Turn them in the right direction sometimes, and what we need, and I particularly always focused on our youth. I feel like today more than ever, our youth need a lot of prayer and guidance. Another thing I love about Metro life so focused on our youth ministry and on On, you know, on on our, on this generation that will lead us eventually, which is so sometimes a little bit worrisome, but but I'm very optimistic.

Speaker 3: 28:16

My daughter, gabby, who leads our youth. She just had a whole lock in the other night, friday night, and they stayed all night long and had fun. That's awesome. It was great, and you know what? Hey, let me give a shout out to our Dural PD.

Speaker 2: 28:26

Oh yes, they're so great.

Speaker 3: 28:28

Because they're around our place on a regular basis. We pay for it because we sew back in the community, but, man, they are right there for our youth, so they're there every time our youth event happens and those youth get to walk by our police department on a regular basis. They love them and so we're doing a great job.

Speaker 2: 28:46

Dural PD is amazing and they're actually involved in a lot of our churches because they have the off-duty officers for purposes of traffic and, honestly, our churches have grown so much. You guys have grown tremendously in our community and you have all built now. Yes, I mean, that's incredible the growth that we've seen and the prosperity that's in our community.

Speaker 3: 29:08

Why not?

Speaker 2: 29:10

And that's just from again, from what's been planted as far as goodwill and prayer. I really, truly, truly believe that. So I'm very excited for what's to come. Thank you for sharing with us, after Father's Day, this beautiful message Anything you want to say to our Dural community, invite them to come, hear you speak, oh come on, man, MetroLiveChurchcom.

Speaker 3: 29:30

If you can't get there personally, you can stream and see what we're doing. But we're all about family and we want to help you develop your family. And Dural, thank you. You're a great community Over the years always been so instrumental in who we as a church have been called to reach. Because I was in mainland for a long time but when I had my choice of communities to choose to plan a church, it was right here in Dural.

Speaker 2: 29:58

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 29:58

We think you're very special, so come join us at MetroLiveChurch. You can find us at MetroLiveChurchcom.

Speaker 2: 30:05

And your Instagram also.

Speaker 3: 30:07

That's Steve Alessi.

Speaker 2: 30:08

That's right, and does the podcast have its own Instagram?

Speaker 3: 30:12

It sure does. Family business with the Alessi's, all right, I haven't followed that one. I'm going to go follow it Now.

Speaker 2: 30:18

I'm going to go follow it Now.

Speaker 3: 30:19

I follow you.

Speaker 2: 30:20

I follow Pastor Mary Alessi. I follow. I follow MetroLive, of course, but I'm going to go follow the podcast because I love it. That's one that I've watched while I'm in the shower a couple of times.

Speaker 3: 30:30

I have, I have and it's great so thank you, pastor. It was wonderful, thank you, wonderful, to have you. I love you in my life of course, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 30:40

Thank you all for watching us. I'm Chrissy Frogger, your mayor here in the city of Dural. Once again, thank you for joining us on In the City Kon Kriste, where you get to meet all these fabulous people that make up the greatest place to live, work, learn and play Dural.

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